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Iron Fisted Warrior · May 16, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

I've just recently made a Ele/Mes, andid like to know: What i s a echo nuker??? sorry if there is allready thread about this but i can't find it.

kuwlij · May 16, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Echo nuking is refering to a skillbar containing Archane echo and/or echo (elite) from the mesmer proff. Nuking is when you deal large dmg to an Area (like meteor shower). read more about archane echo and echo skill to see why echo nuking is better than just nuking ;-)

DOCB22 · May 17, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

my skills bar looks like this
Elemental Attunement{E}
Fire Attunement
Arcane Echo
Meteor Shower
Rodgort's Invocation with my 20/20/20 fire staff I can some times get 4 of these off Aechoing
Fireball
mission/quest whats needed Ward Against Melee Incendiary Bonds, Aura of Restoration Etc..
res sig

Wobrak · May 17, 2006, 10:26 AM // 10:26

I used to have Arcane Echo on my skill bar until I captured the elite skill Glyph of Renewal. The Glyph is more efficient than Arcane Echo. You use less energy and you can recast your spells faster. The Glyph only costs 5 energy and recharges in 15 seconds. But Arcane Echo costs 15 energy and takes 30 seconds to recharge.

With Glyph of Renewal I can cast Meteor Shower 4 times within 1 minute with a total cost of 120 energy.

With Arcane Echo I can cast Meteor Shower 4 times within 2 minutes with a total cost of 160 energy.

My current skill bar is as such:
Flare
Fireball
Breath of Fire
Glyph of Renewal {E}
Bed of Coals
Meteor Shower
Fire Attunement
Resurrect

Nocere Moriari · May 17, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

I had planned to explain and help out, but pretty much every things worth saying has been touched. Were wur u guys a year ago??? would have killed for help like this

Happy repetative nuking

EndersNight · May 18, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wobrak

I used to have Arcane Echo on my skill bar until I captured the elite skill Glyph of Renewal. The Glyph is more efficient than Arcane Echo. You use less energy and you can recast your spells faster. The Glyph only costs 5 energy and recharges in 15 seconds. But Arcane Echo costs 15 energy and takes 30 seconds to recharge.

With Glyph of Renewal I can cast Meteor Shower 4 times within 1 minute with a total cost of 120 energy.

With Arcane Echo I can cast Meteor Shower 4 times within 2 minutes with a total cost of 160 energy.

My current skill bar is as such:
Flare
Fireball
Breath of Fire
Glyph of Renewal {E}
Bed of Coals
Meteor Shower
Fire Attunement
Resurrect

Hmm. Yes but arcane echo isnt an elite - allows you to use DD, SB or something else.

Maria The Princess · May 18, 2006, 02:53 AM // 02:53

my echo nuker:

1-meteor shower
2-arcane echo (use it, then immediatly use meteor shower, and arcane is replaced by a brand new MS)
3-glyth of renewal (elite, us eit, next skill u use is instantly recharged)
4-fire attunment
5-aura of restauration
6-ward vs melee or anything elese that help evasing attaks
7-some attak (fire ball, metetor etc)
8-rez

casting order to nuke:

1-fire attunment
2-arcane echo
3-meteor shower
4-glyth of renewal
5- second meteor shower
6-third meteor shower

i use echo only when party insists on it. normally i recast meteor showets as much as i want only with glyth of renewal cuz its recharging only 15 seconds.

Effendi Westland · May 18, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

For anything that is not FoW it is not necessary to bring Renewal and Arcane Echo. My preference goes to Glyph of renewal. With arcane echo the wait between MS is too long, this isnt that much a problem with renewal (I like to keep moving).

Maria The Princess · May 19, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

For anything that is not FoW it is not necessary to bring Renewal and Arcane Echo. My preference goes to Glyph of renewal. With arcane echo the wait between MS is too long, this isnt that much a problem with renewal (I like to keep moving).

and its more wise due to energy managment

MS (25e) + AEc(15e) +MS(25e)= 65e

GR(5e) + MS(25e) +GR (5e) +MS (25e)= 60e

and no need for the long wait

and yeah.... if youre an echo nuker and you get interrupted casting ANYTHING, your whole chain is down. glyth takes only 1 second to cast, so le schance of interruption. and if u get your MS interrupted while u got glyth on, its immediatly recharged anyways, so you just wait few secs and keep going

ArTy · May 19, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

I also prefer Glyph over the Echos for the advatages already outlined. Plus using Glyph doesn't restrict your multi nuking to having Mes as your secondary class

Fireball, Meteor, Meteor Shower and Rortgorts being my favourite nuke skills.

kuwlij · May 19, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

also a note for echo nuking- i sometimes cary the Glyph of Sacrifice to use on the echoed meteor shower while nuking. This hits target foe with 2 meteors almost simultaneously. Also dont have to worry bout added recharge time since echoed skill would end in 20 sec anyway.

milias · May 25, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuwlij

also a note for echo nuking- i sometimes cary the Glyph of Sacrifice to use on the echoed meteor shower while nuking. This hits target foe with 2 meteors almost simultaneously. Also dont have to worry bout added recharge time since echoed skill would end in 20 sec anyway.

But this will cause the headless chicken scattering effect for sure, and you may need the ward. 1 MS at a time is the best way to go, imho.

My build:

Fire: 12+1+3
Earth: 9+3 (or 9+1 with DP)
ES: 9+1

Fire Attunement
Glyph of Renewal {E}
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Incendiary Bonds or Rodgort's Invocation
Fireball
Ward Against Melee
Rebirth

Basically cast in the same order the skills are listed. Note that the Incendiary Bonds/Fireball chain may cause scattering. You may want to consider using Rodgort's Invocation instead if you're not looking for the spike damage.

Luciora · May 29, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I noticed this past weekend that MS now causes exhaustion! I am pretty sure it didn't do that last month.

Still a very good spell to use when in groups in PvE. I am running Arcane Echo and Glyph of Renewal. Reason being that I use AE for MS and the glyph for rodgorts invocation. This effectively deals out a truly awesome amount of damage. You just need one tank (with monk to keep him alive during casting times) who is using 100 blades for the added dmg, then you cast MS twice and RI twice.

kuwlij · May 29, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

But this will cause the headless chicken scattering effect for sure, and you may need the ward. 1 MS at a time is the best way to go, imho.

My build:

Fire: 12+1+3
Earth: 9+3 (or 9+1 with DP)
ES: 9+1

Fire Attunement
Glyph of Renewal {E}
Meteor Shower
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Incendiary Bonds or Rodgort's Invocation
Fireball
Ward Against Melee
Rebirth

Basically cast in the same order the skills are listed. Note that the Incendiary Bonds/Fireball chain may cause scattering. You may want to consider using Rodgort's Invocation instead if you're not looking for the spike damage.

as far as i know MS causes scatter alone.. like firestorm so doesn't really matter if they're gona run away from 2 ms instead of 1

ArTy · May 30, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciora

I noticed this past weekend that MS now causes exhaustion! I am pretty sure it didn't do that last month.

What have you been smoking this past month? Meteor and Meteor Shower has always caused exhaustion

You just haven't been paying attention hehe

Glyph'ing both Meteor and MS sure does hurt the energy bar. In FoW, I was down to 5 energy after nonstop casting, with exhaustion taking the rest of my bar (13 energy storage)

Luciora · May 30, 2006, 08:55 AM // 08:55

MS does not cause scatter. You can cast as many of them as you want on the enemy. Someone aggro'ing the mob or moving the mob is a different story though. Firestorm does cause scatter, which is why i don't use it.

@ ArTy : I honestly don't recall seeing the exhaustion on MS

It came as a shock the other day. I think I might have missed it cause I don't really need to look at the bar before. Now with Renewal and Arcane Echo, I drop more MS at a time, so suddenly noticed it then. Guess I am not very observant

Worst is the fact that I finished Prophecies with my ele and am 1/2 way through Factions and I only noticed it now!

I also noticed that us echo nukers are demand again in Factions

Makes me very happy

milias · May 30, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciora

I also noticed that us echo nukers are demand again in Factions

Makes me very happy

Agreed. I personally use GoR, though. Echo is an enchant, and hence prone to being stripped. Those darn necros/mesmers can't strip no glyphs :-)

sumasage · May 31, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

where can i cap Glyph of Renewal in faction?